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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-3010</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2493</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2494</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2495</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2496</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog-dev.constitutioncenter.org/?p=7297#comment-2496</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2498</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2499</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog-dev.constitutioncenter.org/?p=7297#comment-2499</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Silence DoOkay</title>
		<link>http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/09/creating-citizens-is-the-civic-mission-of-schools/#comment-2500</link>
		<dc:creator>Silence DoOkay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 18:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://blog-dev.constitutioncenter.org/?p=7297#comment-2500</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#039;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.

You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled...while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools--and that&#039;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#039;s just not worth a Continental....

It isn&#039;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &quot;Why?&quot; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment...that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  

ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts--leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic--to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so....with all due respect, it just ain&#039;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman--not that you folks don&#039;t have some role but you can&#039;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.

Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?--who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#039;illiterate&#039; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#039; property rights are not violated?  

They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights--their home and share in THEIR hearth--that is their damned government (it is always damned--that&#039;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#039;t cut the mustard any more....  The town has been foreclosed.... 

Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion--this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#039;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).

It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#039;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.

People aren&#039;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late......but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things......i have run out of my words....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make people learn.  It is not so much any one&#8217;s responsibility to teach civic knowledge and involvement, but the wide open desire to know and be involved.  This direct route suggested, i.e. that this must be taught, is a familiar bell rung by those in authority down upon others which upsets the appetites, whether its a sweet bell ringing or not.  In other words, one can only coax by creating an environment that stimulates the unseasoned appetites.  The appetites are fully capable of seeing to themselves when aroused appropriately.  When not, they find other outlets such as souring bergamot tea at midnight parties.</p>
<p>You are not going to increase the desire to be involved while mass unemployment persists, the middle class standard of living continues to decline, and young people particularly become apathetic because the promises of education all too often go unfulfilled&#8230;while the national outlook, even the global outlook pales.  You at least should be aware of the broken promises of law schools&#8211;and that&#8217;s the fate of those who drew the better lots.  It&#8217;s just not worth a Continental&#8230;.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t a matter of knowledge, but of having become disconnected.  Even Plato, who was echoed by Jefferson and other oracles, understood the need To reFound from time to time (this is not a new problem).  People need real civic activity, real civic involvement, that goes beyond being prodded to become involved in a chicken fight between two candidates or so that leave one wondering after the fact &#8220;Why?&#8221; since the outcome is distant, abstract, and all to often disappointment&#8230;that in recent times has lead too often to morose apathy and radicalism.  </p>
<p>ReFounding rather would give people a new sense of taking part in something great and they have their own blisters to show for it.  In that case, no one has to play to the role of teacher.  They are capable of learning from each other, reading books, and directing their own thoughts&#8211;leaders need to learn to have a little more faith and trust in the little people.  Being lectured about this is near oxymoronic&#8211;to learn about democracy from authoritarians because they say so&#8230;.with all due respect, it just ain&#8217;t going to work coming from a Supreme Court Justice and Congressman&#8211;not that you folks don&#8217;t have some role but you can&#8217;t direct this directly.  It will have to come from the bottom up and you need to know your place.</p>
<p>Ownership is what is lacking not education.  How much education did the citizens have who founded this Nation?&#8211;who had the wisdom to select Benjamin Franklin and the others to represent their needs and desires.  John Locke was a best seller among the &#8216;illiterate&#8217; for decades after the Revolution.  When people believe deep down that the government is theirs, it is then that they have the authority to be responsible and they do tend, if nothing else, to see to their own property.  And whose role has it been to ensure that the masses&#8217; property rights are not violated?  </p>
<p>They gain ownership from having taken part in something great. All too often these days, someone else demands that others be responsible.  Rather what the haves should do is insist that others have a share in the authority over their lives necessary to be responsible which means reasonable employment, freedom, fair treatment by the law, and security over ones fundamental property rights&#8211;their home and share in THEIR hearth&#8211;that is their damned government (it is always damned&#8211;that&#8217;s our fallen fate and consolation).  Town hall meetings just don&#8217;t cut the mustard any more&#8230;.  The town has been foreclosed&#8230;. </p>
<p>Force feeding civic responsibility is elitist apologetics for a culture that has lost its promises.  All you are going to get is regurgitation. You are talking of passion&#8211;this is outside of the law (Aristotle).  That the law is reason in the absence of passion does not mean that passion has no place in the rubble of the foundation or up on the Typanum of the highest sitting Court House in the land or the measly county court down the old road (that can&#8217;t afford the luxury of the Typanum or a fair prosecutor).</p>
<p>It is agreed Madam that there is a problem.  It is only a little more complex than what a wishy-washy call for more civic education can address.  You call upon Apollo but this is the task of Dionysus and that won&#8217;t happen until Apollo first realizes her (his) own failures.</p>
<p>People aren&#8217;t ready to reFound yet (some think they are but are confused by their destructive rage encouraged by hacks always on the look out for those suffering looking for easy answers).  They will be ready only when it is too late&#8230;&#8230;but the Impossible has been done before.  Afraid there is no time to finish my wanderings.  Lost in my own hayseeds, have to stumble on over to whitewash an ugly old wobbly fence inbetween things&#8230;&#8230;i have run out of my words&#8230;.</p>
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